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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:56:00 - [1] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 13:56:53 This baby is going to be totally devastating with autocannons. You can put 8 of the highest tier autocannons on it (since its designed for artillery it will have lots of grid), slap on a monster tank and damage mods in the lows. Its only disadvantage is that its a bit slow, so you put a nano in one of the lows to fix it. But seriously, its annoying me that people try to think of it as a artillery boat, when the Tempest will ALWAYS be better for it. You dont boost shields in a fleet and everybody knows it. This whole story reminds me of "Dont mention the war" in Faulty Towers... everybody is thinking one thing, but are discussing something else. Or maybe everybody arent. I am, anyway. :) The bonuses scream autocannons and thats how it will be used. So dont kid yourselfs... Discuss. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:30:00 - [2] Originally by: starship enginer although this ship with the following might be ok 8x 800 t2 mwd: 20km, 2invol, xl-booster, heavy cap inj 3x dmg mod. 2x nanos Yep, something like that. And not only OK... I think it will be quite good. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Tiuwaz compared to the tempest it either does less dmg if tempi fits 2 launchers, or tempi does roughly equal dmg on top having 2 nos killing the opponents tank This is what Tuxford said in his blog too, but he didnt consider that a typical Tempest will only use 2 damage mods since its sharing the lowslots with the tank. Also the Maelstrom looks to have the grid for 8 of the 800 II, while Tempest usually have 6x 650 II and 2 nos/2 launchers. A Maelstrom with 3 damage mods and 8 800 II WILL outdamage the Tempest with 6 650 II and 2 siege launcher II by about 50 dps with Barrage, and 100 dps with Hail. This is before the ammo changes though, so I dont know about afterwards. So not only will it have more damage, but its shield tank should be able to soak up more short term damage compared to the Tempests armor tank. However, if the Tempest is nossing the Maelstrom, things might change. Unless the Maelstrom fits 2 nos itself. So I dont know... does the ship really suck that bad? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Al Haquis So I dont know... does the ship really suck that bad? So no "The Sky is falling attitude "? With love from Al Haquis Naah. Like you said in that other thread... artillery is for wimen! --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:47:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 15:49:50 Originally by: Ath Amon actually 650mm are equal if not better than 800mm but i don't see this ship very suited for close range... why? simply because its dps is too low and is too vulnerable to nos... you have huge tank... you get a pair of nos on you and you are dead in a pair on mins... you remove a pair of guns to fit noses and here that you end up with a sort of slower tempest with better tank but worse dps No, the ship has higher dps than the Tempest since it can use 3 damage mods instead of 2 (see my post above with details) and can fit the top tier guns. And about the nos, well, that can be said for any shield tanker. If you put a pair of nos on a raven, his tank eventually fail. You just have to survive until it does, and thats the tricky part. Maelstrom will have 80 higher dps with 8x 800 II than the raven does with siege, if both are using 3 damage mods. If the Maelstrom switches to Hail, it will have almost 350 higher dps than the Raven. Of course you might not use Hail vs a shield tank, but you get my drift... Then Raven is of course only using its 6 launchers and have 2 slots for nos as well. But the much higher dps of the Maelstrom up close should even out the field abit. Im not saying the ship will beat a Raven, but it will have higher dps up close once you get there. Much like the Megathron, except this ship has a shield tank. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 15:56:00 - [6] The speed is a problem, yeah. To be really good it needs a speed boost, but I think in the mean time we will have to put 2 nanos in the lows. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Ath Amon raven can eventually fit 2 nos and keep a decent dps so is way less vulnerable. Raven doesnt have shield boost bonus. And the Maelstrom can fit 6x 650/800 II and still do equal damage to the raven, while also nossing him. Also the Maelstrom can use EW drones, or webber drones. Ravens drone space is crap. But Ok, maybe it wont beat a Raven, but then its really only in the same situation as the Megathron. And nobody thinks thats a bad ship, do they? Ok, problems getting in range, yeah... but thats it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Ath Amon mah i'm a bit sceptical but maybe it will work... eheh must admit that i was fitting an ac mael before sisi decided it didn't like me instead i will be very curious to see how it will perform with 10% shield/hps and a passive tank... that could be quite interesting Try both setups and report back. I cant get into SiSi because my account expired. Serves me right for using time cards I guess... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 16:19:31 Originally by: Rin Eyre I think it's a crap ship. Because its "versatility" truly comes from outer space. That's like having ballpen with integrated razor for morning shave. Or handgun welded to medieval tower shield... or many other strange things. Well, at least as a autocannon ship, its using both its bonuses. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Kaylana Syi So what you guys are saying is that you want a low SP sliepnir. Lets not forget you are wasting about 9k of powergrid and need a whole lot of ifs to even do what you want to do with it. If people fly it like this I can't wait to utterly wear them like pants with a Typhoon. Typhoon is better for up close, but require alot more sp too. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Derran I'm in the camp of a Maelstrom beating the Raven. Mostly because I flew Caldari ships for a long time (all Caldari ship skills at 5 and missile types skills at 5) and there is no way in hell someone is going to fit 6 siege II and 2 heavy diminising NOS on this thing AND tank and keep their damage up. Why? Grid and CPU. You need 3 PDU IIs, a RCU II and a CPU II in your lows to fit all that stuff. I actually have to stop using T2 tanking stuff in med so I can fill the 5th med slot. I only have 20 cpu left over. Even if you drop a few T2 things in the medium slots, you still don't have much CPU and grid to go. Sacrificing the heavy NOS for medium nos gives you a bit more playing around room but then a Maelstrom can use its NOS at 20k and if it uses a MWD, then it can stay at that range and NOS away a Raven's cap while the Raven can't use its NOS. Personally, I'm not really a fan of either ship but based on what you can fit on the Raven and what it looks like you can fit on a Maelstrom, I'm betting on the Maelstrom in the hands of a semi-decent pilot. Yeah, you run into fitting problems for the Raven, thats true. Maybe even for the Maelstrom. Wish I could test... :( And that 37.5% shield boosting bonus might play a big role. Raven doesnt have any defensive bonuses. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 16:49:54 Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Jim McGregor Yeah, you run into fitting problems for the Raven, thats true. Maybe even for the Maelstrom. Wish I could test... :( And that 37.5% shield boosting bonus might play a big role. Raven doesnt have any defensive bonuses. that boosting bonus is overrated, to make a visual comparison: lets take the mael same slot layout and stats etc except it doesnt have a boost bonus, now i give you the option btw fitting 1x faction amplifier or 2x large nos in addition to the already existing slots what ya gonna take? Ill take both. Ill use 6 guns with phased plasma, 2 nos, and use the built-in faction amplifier to beat the Raven into the ground. MWD takes one slot, then I use 5 slots for a nice tank, slaps 3 damage mods on there and then 2 nanos to reach the raven faster with the MWD boost. I might also use the 100 m3 drone bay for ecm drones, webber drones or whatever just to tease the Raven who cant do the same. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 17:08:35 Originally by: Tiuwaz you are aware that you will do 25% less dmg than a tempest if you sacrifice 2 slots for nos on mael? Tempest 6x 650 II and 2 nos = 689 dps with phased plasma Maelstrom 6x 650 II and 2 nos = 586 dps with phased plasma Im using Ogre II on both of them here too, but Maelstrom has 3 damage mods, Tempest only 2. Tempest wont fit 3 because it will hurt his tank (shared slots for damage/tanking). So there you have 2 ships (Raven vs Maelstrom) nossing eachother and using cap injectors to boost shields. Mael has lower dps than the Tempest would have, but the shield boost bonus helps it against the Ravens higher damage. Maelstrom gains 37.5% more shield per cycle. So in 3 boosts, it will have boosted as much as the Raven in 4. To me, it looks pretty close on paper. There is only one thing... Raven might not have a MWD, which means it can use 6 slots for tanking. Autocannon Maelstrom NEEDS a MWD, there is no question about it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 17:08:04 Originally by: Tiuwaz hehe we can go back forth now, i see what you are pointing at its now down to real testing to prove who is wrong and right i'll stick to my interpretation but if it works thats good, but i'd still favour a 10% hp bonus instead the boost bonus Yeah, its an interesting discussion. Try the setups out for me... I cant get on the test server. Account expired... :p --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 17:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/10/2006 17:18:59 Originally by: Kaylana Syi This ship is neither a good arty platform or a good AC platform. The Tempest is a better cross dresser just like the megathron is the better switch hitter than the Hyperion. The faster you pro-maelstrom as is realize that... the faster I can get some sleep. You cant sleep until the Maelstrom is agreed to be worthless by everybody? :) I want to see the results from people testing it on the test server... :p --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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